The country is on edge after another protester was killed by ICE officers in Minneapolis. Phil, Kaitlyn, and Skye look at how different Christian journalists and media outlets are covering, or not covering, the story, and what protests against ICE share in common with the Civil Rights movement, and how they’re different. Speaking of the Civil Rights era, Justin Giboney is back to discuss his new book, “Don’t Let Nobody Turn You Around.” He believes too much of the American church and our politics has been captivated by the culture war, and learning from the example of the Black church, which rejected the “conservative vs. progressive” binary, can help lead us out. Also this week, the cows are coming for us!

 

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7:07 - Cow Tools

 

12:55 - Christian Journalists on Alex Pretti

 

25:03 - Media Ecosystem

 

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47:17 - Interview

 

55:46 - The Black Church’s Tradition of Witness

 

1:06:30 - Humanizing Your Political Opponents

 

1:15:00 - Persuasion in Politics

 

1:24:00 - End Credits

 

Links Mentioned in News Segment:

Cow Tools:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj0n127y74go

 

Religion News Service on Clergy Protesting ICE:

https://religionnews.com/2026/01/23/inside-the-effort-to-organize-clergy-nationwide-to-resist-ice-minneapolis/

 

The Atlantic on ICE Protests:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/01/minneapolis-uprising/685755/

 

Christianity Today on Authority and Responsibility:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/2026/01/authority-responsibility-not-excuse-alex-pretti-ice-shooting-minnesota-trump/

 

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Don’t Let Anybody Turn You Around: How the Black Church’s Public Witness Leads Us Out of the Culture War: https://amzn.to/45ZnNrG

 

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Over the last 30 years, the number of Americans who say they highly value patriotism, religion, community, and family has dropped dramatically. At the same time, the number of Americans who care about making more money has gone up. Phil, Kaitlyn, and Skye discuss David Brooks’ new article about the culture’s shift toward autonomy and away from loving attachments, and how Christians can begin rebuilding their social muscles. Sociologist and former pastor, Ryan Burge, is back to discuss why the political polarization of Christianity is hurting both the church and democracy. Also this week, why small houses are better for your soul, and monkeys are missing in St. Louis—or are they?

 

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7:00 - The Monkeys are Loose in St. Louis!

 

15:24 - David Brooks on Love

 

38:00 - Are You Socially Muscular?

 

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52:34 - Interview

 

55:34 - Number of Christians Holding Steady

 

1:00:23 - Do Revivals Need to be Inside the Church?

 

1:09:38 - What is a Moderate Congregation?

 

1:17:50 - Evangelicalism Became Fundamentalism

 

1:24:00 - End Credits

 

Links Mentioned in News Segment:

Monkeys! On the Loose!

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/10/us/monkeys-loose-st-louis.html

 

We’re Living Through the Great Detachment:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/02/opinion/americans-marriage-loneliness-love.html

 

Elizabeth Oldfield on Social Muscles:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/24/opinion/community-housing-friendship.html

 

Other Resources:

The Vanishing Church: How the Hollowing Out of Moderate Congregations Is Hurting Democracy, Faith, and Us (Why the Culture War Led to Polarization and What We Can Do About it) by Ryan Burge: https://amzn.to/4r1rbKL

 

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Tensions have flared around the country after the fatal shooting of Renee Good by an ICE agent in Minneapolis, and the Department of Homeland Security has rolled out a new slogan as it defends the lethal action: “One of Ours, All of Yours.” Is the Trump administration declaring civil war on Americans? Then, two seventeenth-century philosophers, Hobbes and Locke, help us understand the divide in our politics today, but Kaitlyn explains why Christians should be hesitant to embrace either. Skye talks with Senator Raphael Warnock (D-Georgia) about his dual roles as both a senator and a pastor, and why he calls the country’s economic problems a “spiritual crisis.” Also this week—the Bears shred the Packers.

 

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54:45 - The Affordability Crisis

 

58:35 - Democracy and We the People

 

1:10:10 - Why Do Democrats Avoid Talking About Faith?

 

1:24:00 - End Credits

 

Links Mentioned in News Segment:

National Catholic Reporter:

https://www.ncronline.org/opinion/after-renee-good-are-you-really-going-keep-pretending-trump-and-vance-are-pro-life

 

Hobbes, Locke, and Stephen Miller:

https://www.theatlantic.com/books/2026/01/philosopher-who-explains-stephen-miller-thomas-hobbes/685574/

 

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The new year began with a successful U.S. military operation to capture Venezuela’s president. But the mission killed approximately 80 people and is being condemned by some American and international leaders as illegal. Esau McCaulley joins Phil and Skye this week to discuss the fallout from the operation. Was it legal? Was it moral? And what does it reveal about Trump’s vision of America? Kaitlyn talks with author Sara Billups about her new book, “Nervous System,” and how our age of anxiety is affecting Christians and the whole church. Also this week—the Trump administration celebrated the holidays with Christian memes, festive taunts, and “Ice Ice Baby.”

 

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7:35 - Trump Got Venezuela?

 

13:46 - What Does America Want to Be?

 

28:34 - Trump Administration's Christmas

 

36:10 - Optimism and America

 

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48:05 - Interview

 

50:28 - Why Write About Anxiety?

 

56:14 - Practicing Non-Anxiousness

 

1:02:40 - Lasting Effects of Fundamentalist Mindsets

 

1:09:17 - The Church as a Non-Anxious Presence

 

1:18:09 - End Credits

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