The memorial service for Charlie Kirk revealed a deep contradiction with the MAGA movement. Kirk’s widow was cheered when she forgave his assassin and modeled Jesus’ command to love your enemies. But the crowd also cheered when Stephen Miller and President Trump dehumanized their opponents and expressed hatred for their enemies. Esau McCaulley joins Phil and Skye to discuss the tension between Christian love and pagan power. Also this week, Dr. Terence Lester tells his inspiring story in his new book, “From Dropout to Doctorate,” and how he’s working both spiritually and systemically to reform education.

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11:56 - Christlike Responses

 

22:53 - Two MAGAs

 

31:57 - Black Christians Grapple with Kirk’s Legacy

 

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46:05 - Interview

 

47:46 - How Poverty Causes Trauma

 

52:47 - The Headstart People Don’t Get

 

1:01:48 - The Sick, Sin, and System Narratives

 

1:14:33 - How He Decided Not to Quite

 

1:25:18 - End Credits

 

Links Mentioned in News Segment:

Bulwark Article on Two Speeches at the Memorial:

https://www.thebulwark.com/i/174243794/a-tale-of-two-speeches

 

Black Christians Confront Charlie Kirk’s Religious Legacy:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/09/22/charlie-kirk-black-christians/

 

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Last week, a gunman in Utah killed Charlie Kirk on a college campus. Rather than uniting the country against political violence, Kirk’s assassination has only made divisions wider. Some on the left celebrated his death, saying he reaped what he sowed, while some on the right, including the President, are calling for retribution against all leftists. One of the few voices trying to lower the temperature has been Utah’s Republican governor, Spencer Cox, who lamented the polarizing influence of social media and the “conflict entrepreneurs who benefit from radicalizing us.” Phil offers his coffeeshop reflections on how both the right and left justify hating the other side, while Kaitlyn and Skye discuss the need for faithful leadership when all of the incentives are against it.

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33:03 - The Increasing Acceptance of Political Violence

 

41:06 - Platforms of Hate

 

59:41 - End Credits

 

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Tony Perkin’s Article on Charlie Kirk:

https://www.christianpost.com/voices/charlie-kirk-and-americas-turning-point.html

 

David French’s Article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination-ideology.html

 

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Following the school shooting in Minneapolis, The Christian Post has offered a definitive answer for why these massacres keep happening and why gun restrictions won’t work—people are evil. But why don’t politically conservative Christians apply this logic to any other issues? Surprising new data show that more young men than women want to be parents one day, and there’s a growing trend of single men becoming fathers by choice. What does this reveal about our society and the breakdown of dating and marriage? Theologian and best-selling author, Miroslav Volf, discusses his new book, “The Cost of Ambition.” He says our culture of competition is damaging, and too many Christians ignore what the Bible says about the dangers of ambition. Also this week, Phil brings us news from the glowing future.

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11:58 - Mass Shootings and the Evils of Man

 

20:28- Is This an Argument for Antinomianism?

 

33:34 - Single Fathers by Choice?

 

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54:00 - Interview

 

57:06 - America and Competition

 

1:01:23 - Superiority vs. Excellence

 

1:13:28 - Nothing Out of Selfish Ambition

 

1:23:25 - End Credits

 

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Glowing succulent plants!

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Christian Post’s Take on Minneapolis Shooting:

https://www.christianpost.com/voices/an-answer-to-why-minneapolis-catholic-school-shooting-happened.html

 

Single Fathers by Choice:

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The Cost of Ambition: How Striving to Be Better Than Others Makes us Worse (Why Ambition Is at Odds with the Christian Faith) (Theology for the Life of the World) by Miroslav Volf: https://a.co/d/gZnFRX7

 

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Is unity in the church still possible when everyone is so divided? At the Legacy Conference in Chicago, Beth Moore joins Esau, Kaitlyn, and Skye to wrestle with what it means to remain in community with believers we deeply disagree with. Together they explore why purity tests are dividing Christians online, how cynicism masquerades as wisdom, and why endless outrage is not a productive way to go through life. Plus, some Q and A with the audience, and humpback whales may be the key to solving the empathy debate.

 

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30:20 - Tired of Anger

 

43:30 - Is it Worth Engaging Twitter?

 

47:13 - Do We Just Believe What We Want?

 

57:37 - When Do You Look for a new Church?

 

1:00:59 - When is Something a Heresy?

 

1:12:28 - How to Love Those Who Are Against You?

 

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