557: The Rise of Christian Nashville-ism & What Christians Must Do with Claude Alexander

 

Why doesn’t Congress work? A recent article explains how diversity, education, and geography are driving the political parties apart. These findings also help explain the widening fractures among evangelicals. In the past, evangelicalism was primarily driven by academic institutions in the North, but now it’s increasingly fueled by entertainment interests in the South. Phil explains this rise of “Christian Nashville-ism.” Then, Skye talks to Bishop Claude Alexander about his book “Necessary Christianity,” and what he believes to be the most urgent issues facing the church today. Plus, more listener feedback about teen mental health research, how puppies, infants, and Baby Yoda hack our brains, and an unexpected animal attack in Ohio.

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0:00 -  Intro

3:15 - Theme Song

3:37 - Zebra Attack!

10:38 - Cute Babies

22:45 - Feedback from our Mental Health Discussion

30:56 - The Four Quadrants of American Politics

40:13 - Fragmentation of Evangelical Politics

49:16 - Rise of Christian Nashville-ism

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59:07 - Guest Interview - Claude Alexander

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1:03:41 - Determining one’s calling

1:10:08 - What must the American church do today

1:18:58 - What can the white evangelical church learn from the black church

 

1:31:42 - End Credits

 

Links mentioned in news segment:

 

Ohio man nearly loses arm in zebra attack at farm

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-zebra-attack-farm-rcna74911

 

Why your brain thinks this puppy is undoubtedly cuter than a baby

https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/neuroscience-of-cute/

 

Feedback from episode 556’s  discussion on mental health

https://www.holypost.com/post/556-teen-mental-health-revisited-digital-discipleship-with-nona-jones

 

The Four Quadrants of American Politics

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2023/03/house-of-representatives-equity-research-institute-usc-analysis/673422/

 

The fragmentation of evangelical politics

https://currentpub.com/2023/03/16/the-fragmentation-of-evangelical-politics/

 

 

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Necessary Christianity: What Jesus Shows We Must Be and Do by Claude Alexander

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Becoming the Church: God's People in Purpose and Power by Claude Alexander - 

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Required: God's Call to Justice, Mercy, and Humility to Overcome Racial Division by Claude Alexander - https://amzn.to/3LFJRyk

 

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Feedback on the recent episode about the teen mental health report by the CDC was so strong that the Holy Post gang revisits the topic. Jonathan Haidt says three untruths that fuel depression were embraced by progressives ten years ago, but now they’re commonplace among conservatives too. Then, in 1976, Jimmy Carter represented a biblically-rooted evangelicalism that was also politically progressive. So, why did white evangelicals abandon him—or did they? And former Facebook executive, Nona Jones, explains why social media companies say their mission is to create community but their business models do the opposite. Jones still believes there is hope for these platforms and is now working with YouVersion to build digital disciples. Plus, respected historian, Dave, believes there’s a buried treasure under Kate’s house.

 

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0:00 -  Intro

2:39 - Theme Song

3:00 - The Holy Grail and Ark of the Covenant thought to be found in England

12:16 - Teenage Mental Health

38:10 - Jimmy Carter and Evangelicals 

48:50 - Ryan Burge on race and religion in American politics

 

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55:34 - Guest Interview - Nona Jones

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58:39 - Nona’s time at Facebook

 

1:05:55 - The potential and the limits of technology in the Church

 

1:16:57 - How to use social media for the well-being of people

 

1:29:57 - End Credits

 

Links mentioned in news segment:

 

 Holy Grail and Ark of Covenant thought to be located under an English house - 

https://www.thebrighterside.news/post/2132023-holy-grail-and-ark-of-covenant-thought-to-be-located-under-an-english-house

Why the Mental Health of Liberal Girls Sank First and Fastest - 

https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/mental-health-liberal-girls

Jimmy Carter embodies the ‘road not taken’ by many White evangelical Christians - https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/05/us/jimmy-carter-evangelicals-blake-cec/index.html

 

Ryan Burge - This is how much race matters more than religion in American politics

https://twitter.com/ryanburge/status/1633863039291379712

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The Gospel Coalition published an article last week that brought together every divergent faction of the church to say, “Ick!” While many are discussing the troubling content of the article on social media, the Holy Post crew examines what is says about the troubling state of evangelical publishing. Then, new data finds liberal teens are struggling with depression at higher rates on average than conservative teens. What’s the explanation? And Phil talks to professor Christopher Watkin about his book, “Biblical Critical Theory: How the Bible's Unfolding Story Makes Sense of Modern Life and Culture.” Is critical theory really as evil as some culture warriors say it is? Watkin offers a more thoughtful and Christian perspective on how to critique society. Plus, Japan discovers 7,000 new islands.

 

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0:44 - Intro

3:46 - Islands found

9:40 - The Article

29:23 - Teen mental health and politics

 

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Interview with Christopher Watkin

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53:13 - Social contract

56:20 - Christopher’s story

1:01:32 - Biblical Critical Theory 

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1:04:28 - Defining critical theory

1:10:50 - Augustine

1:16:29 - Analyzing culture through the bible

1:21:50 - Eternal destiny and culture

1:24:28 - Diagonalizing

1:35:31 - End Credits

 

Links mentioned in news segment:

Japan just found 7,000 islands it didn’t know it had - https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/02/asia/japan-islands-double-report-intl-hnk/index.html

 

Please understand that I was the first one who was upset by the bad article - https://mpierce.substack.com/p/please-understand-that-i-was-the

 

Esau McCaulley tweet link - https://twitter.com/esaumccaulley/status/1631380537892806669

 

Why are young liberals so depressed? - https://www.slowboring.com/p/why-are-young-liberals-so-depressed?utm_source=direct&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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A new report from the CDC finds a record number of teenage girls are now debilitated by mental illnesses including depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation. And social psychologist Jonathan Haidt says the evidence is abundant that social media is the cause, but the tech industry is resisting any changes. Phil, Kaitlyn, and Skye discuss the social, political, and spiritual dimensions of the crisis. They also revisit the Asbury revival and how previous revivals in America produced both good and bad fruit. New Testament professor, Scot McKnight, talks about his latest book, “Revelation for the Rest of Us.” He argues that a literal reading of the book isn’t just wrong but dangerous. Rather than speculating about timelines and events, McKnight says the book is intended to teach Christians in every age how to be discerning, dissident disciples within Babylon. Plus, unstoppable Canadian super pigs are coming!

 

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News Segment

 

0:00 - Intro

2:44 - Animal News

9:35 - Asbury Revival

26:22 - Mental health and social media

36:47 - Collective action

43:47 - Listening to teenagers

 

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57:23 -  Interview Intro 

59:29 - Scot McKnight

https://twitter.com/scotmcknight

 

1:01: 12 - Speculation approach

1:06:55 - Dispensationalism

1:12:16 - Silence on Revelation

1:18:04 Revelation for the rest of us

1:22:14 - America and Babylon

1:32:37 - End Credits

Links Mentioned in News Segment

 

Hybrid Super Pigs From Canada Are Invading Northern US; Why Are They a Problem? - https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/42527/20230222/hybrid-super-pigs-canada-invading-northern-why-problem.htm

 

‘Woodstock’ for Christians: Revival Draws Thousands to Kentucky Town - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/23/us/kentucky-revival-asbury-university.html

 

Social Media is a Major Cause of the Mental Illness Epidemic in Teen Girls. Here’s the Evidence.-  https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/social-media-mental-illness-epidemic

 

The crisis in American girlhood - https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/02/17/teen-girls-mental-health-crisis/

 

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Revelation for the Rest of Us: A Prophetic Call to Follow Jesus as a Dissident Disciple by Scot McKnight - https://amzn.to/3ZpUpoW

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There's no denying that American men are struggling. Depression, drug use, and suicide are on the rise, and there are plenty of voices on the far right eager to blame feminists, the LGBT movement, #MeToo, and the left in general. They say our culture has made traditionally masculine traits "toxic" and stolen from men the one thing they need most—respect. David French explains to Skye Jethani why this diagnosis is wrong. He argues that the real crisis isn't that men lack respect, but that they lack "virtuous purpose." Plus, French and Jethani revisit the war in Ukraine one year after the Russian invasion. While the Biden Administration's support for Ukraine has gotten stronger, overall American support has weakened. What does that mean, and how will this conflict eventually end?

 

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1:04 - Theme Song

 

3:00 - Men need purpose more than respect

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29:47 - The crisis of masculinity

 

34:20 - Christianity and consumerism

43:00 The War in Ukraine

 

1:02:22 Next Presidential election

 

1:08:20 - End Credits

 

Links mentioned in interview

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/12/opinion/men-purpose-respect.html 

 

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She’s finally here! Bible teacher and author Beth Moore joins Kaitlyn Schiess to discuss her new memoir, her calling, and how she found the courage to speak out against the political idolatry of evangelical leaders in 2016. Moore says she learned how to put her faith in Christ himself rather than in Christian people. Also this week, we discuss the revival at Asbury University that’s attracted 20,000 people to a small town in Kentucky—including a lot of Christian celebrities. Is it a genuine movement of God’s Spirit, or a product of social media spin? Could it be both? Plus, a Christian professor discovers why “Florida is where woke goes to die,” evangelicals rejected Jimmy Carter for being too nice, and the Grinch who stole Easter.

 

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0:45 Intro

 

3:35 - Stolen eggs

 

8:35 - Professor in trouble

 

25:47 - Asbury revival

 

38:51 - Jimmy Carter in hospice

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51:50 - Interview Intro

 

53:15 - Beth Moore 

https://twitter.com/BethMooreLPM 

All My Knotted-Up Life: A Memoir by Beth Moore - https://amzn.to/3lWYLFy

 

59:41 - Calling

 

1:08:30 - Risking credibility

 

1:15:00 - Back to 2016

 

1:25:19- End Credits

 

Links mentioned in news segment:

Thief Steals Nearly 200,000 Cadbury Creme Eggs in Britain - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/15/world/europe/cadbury-creme-eggs-theft.html

 

English professor in Florida says university is reviewing his employment following complaint over racial justice unit - https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/18/us/palm-beach-atlantic-university-professor-racial-justice-unit/index.html

Asbury Professor: We’re Witnessing a ‘Surprising Work of God’ - https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2023/february-web-only/asbury-revival-1970-2023-methodist-christian-holy-spirit.html

Jesus and John Wayne by Kristin Kobes Du Mez - https://amzn.to/3SmhZQQ

 

The Movie Proposal - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-movie-proposal/id1184573662

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All My Knotted-Up Life: A Memoir by Beth Moore - https://amzn.to/3lWYLFy

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A Christian campaign spent $20 million on two ads during the Super Bowl, but the “He Gets Us” commercials are facing criticism from both the right and left. One side says the ads did not present the gospel. The other says the campaign’s funders are bigots. And everyone is wondering if the $20 million could have been spent more effectively. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn offer their takes. Then, Tim Keller has a new article with his prescription for how Christianity can thrive again in America, but does it all come down to overcoming political idolatry? And a new report from PRRI looks at the sobering data about Christian Nationalism. One-third of Americans are either committed Christian Nationalists or very sympathetic to it, and the majority of them are white evangelicals. Historian Kristin Kobes Du Mez is back to discuss the data and explain the link between Christian Nationalism, patriarchy, and authoritarianism. Plus, a candy factory is sued after workers fall into a chocolate vat.

 

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0:00 -  Intro

 

3:55 - Workers in a vat of chocolate

6:30 - He gets us

 

28:46 - American Christianity 

 

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57:37 - Interview Intro

 

59:00 - Kristin Kobes Du Mez 

https://kristindumez.com/

https://twitter.com/kkdumez

 

1:11:48 - Christian Nationalism and patriarchy

 

1:29:15 - Demographics

 

1:32:36 - End Credits

Links Mentioned in News Segment

 

Mars Wrigley fined after two workers fell into a tank of chocolate - https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/13/business/mars-wrigley-chocolate-vat-fine/index.html

 

He Gets Us - https://hegetsus.com

 

American Christianity is due for a revival by Timothy Keller - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/02/christianity-secularization-america-renewal-modernity/672948/

 

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A Christian Nation? Understanding the Threat of Christian Nationalism to American Democracy and Culture - https://www.prri.org/research/a-christian-nation-understanding-the-threat-of-christian-nationalism-to-american-democracy-and-culture/

 

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What does it mean to be pro-life? Drawing from the words of Jesus, the Apostles, and the early church, Shane Claiborne says most American Christians have gotten it wrong. His new book, “Rethinking Life: Embracing the Sacredness of Every Person,” argues for the value of the unborn, but also for combating poverty, racism, and other dehumanizing evils. He talks with Skye about how the early church’s consistent ethic of life changed once it gained political power. It’s one thing for a tiny church on the margins of society to apply the teachings of Jesus, but how do we apply his words when Christians have control of governments and armies? Skye is joined after the interview by Christian Taylor and Phil Vischer to debrief Claiborne’s challenging ideas.

 

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0:46-  Intro

 

3:16 - Shane Claiborne

 

Tyre Nichols and policing

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13:55 Rethinking Life

 

28:24 Ethics and power

 

33:49 Abortion

 

48:30 Phil, Skye, Christian debrief

 

1:07:03 End Credits

 

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How did American politics go from a disagreement over policies to become a war between the forces of good and evil? Phil takes us on a journey through the fascinating origins of the New Apostolic Reformation movement as he traces a line from a professor at Fuller Seminary in the 1980s to the January 6th attack on the Capitol. Along the way, we learn how the movement popularized the integration of culture, politics, and spiritual warfare, and shaped the imaginations of generations of evangelicals. Plus, the Chinese spy balloon is a Rorschach test in the sky. And creepy things are happening to mice at a children’s hospital in Cincinnati.

 

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0:00 -  Intro

2:32 - Chinese balloon

15:18 - Animal News

20:10 -  Charismatic history

53:23 - National Prayer Breakfast

59:40 - End Credits

 

Links mentioned 

 

“Three Chinese Balloons Flew Over US During Trump Presidency” - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-06/us-didn-t-know-about-chinese-balloons-during-trump-until-later 

 

“Scientists Grew Mini Human Guts Inside Mice” - https://www.wired.com/story/scientists-grew-mini-human-guts-inside-mice/#:~:text=In%20search%20of%20a%20better,of%20the%20human%20immune%20system. 

 

 Skye’s devotional - https://www.withgoddaily.com/ 

 

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Phil catches up with friend-of-the-show Esau McCaulley (New Testament Professor, NYT columnist, author of CT Book of the Year Reading While Black) for a wide-ranging conversation. Why do we keep getting MLK wrong? What do Black voices give up in order to be invited into white spaces, and is there a better way? What does McCaulley do to refocus on Jesus? And why did he decide his new book should be about, of all things, Lent??

McCaulley is a deep thinker AND a little bit of a goofball. Which makes his conversations with Phil always worth your time.

 

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0:46 - Intro

2:36 - Esau McCaulley interview

5:43 Martin Luther King Jr. 

21:43 Systemic racism

28:01 Black voices in white spaces

41:50 Lent

45:58 End Credits

 

Links mentioned 

 

The Kind of Revolution That Martin Luther King Jr. Envisioned  by Esau McCaulley 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/15/opinion/martin-luther-king-woke-reparations.html

 

@esaumccaulley

Esaumccaulley.com

 

Lent: The Season of Repentance and Renewal (Fullness of Time, 1) by Esau McCaulley https://amzn.to/3WXNodo

 

Reading While Black by Esau McCaulley https://amzn.to/3Rzw1ys

 

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